Will Your Murderer Be In Heaven?

Is Heaven going to be a place for murderers? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

Lately, there’s been an image going around the internet. It’s certainly one that grips people powerfully, but it is fundamentally flawed. The image can be seen here:


For the atheists that share this online, this seems unthinkable. God will allow a murderer to be in Heaven? He will not only allow a murderer to be in Heaven, but the people he murdered or whose loved ones he murdered will have to spend all eternity with this person? What kind of God is this?

At the start, it looks like for the atheist, you can’t win for losing. I’m not going to really debate on the view of Heaven presented here, but consider that if God sends people to Hell, well he’s wrong for doing that supposedly. If He snuffs them out of existence, well that’s pretty cruel. He’s wrong for doing that. If He lets them into Heaven, well look. People have to spend eternity with such evil people and they get a free pass.

So no matter what, it looks like there’s an excuse to argue against God.

But notice what’s going on here. It’s this assumption that you could never be happy to see someone who murdered you or a loved one of yours in eternity. What’s going on here?

Years ago, Christopher Hitchens issued this challenge.

A fair challenge we have been told. You don’t need God to be good. Atheists are just as good as Christians.

In many cases, I can agree. The argument has never been that you need to be a Christian or a theist to be a good person or to know good from evil, but Hitchens’s challenge does say that atheists can do good just as much as you religious people can.

So how about forgiving people?

Because what atheists are assuming is that little Timmy in the above photo will be just as he is now. He will be just as prone to sinful tendencies as he is now. He will harbor hatred in his heart just as much as he is capable of doing so now.

But the Christian claim is that Christ transforms us entirely. He takes away all that isn’t us. He makes us to be like Him. He makes it so that we can love those who wronged us. He reveals to us the grace we need.

As C.S. Lewis would say, we forgive others because God has forgiven the unforgivable in us.

And you know what? We have some real examples of that.

How about Corrie Ten Boom? She was in the holocaust. Her sister died in a prison camp and one of the guards from that camp came to see Corrie and asked for forgiveness.

She gave it.

Does someone think this is a bad thing?

Steven Gahigi was able to forgive in Rwanda, even though many members of his family had been killed by genocidal people over there.

He forgave.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

Anthony Colon had his brother murdered by someone. Anthony through becoming a Christian found the forgiveness to forgive his brother’s murderer.

Kent Whitaker underwent a nightmare. Not only were two members of his family murdered, but the culprit behind the crime was his own son. Kent managed to forgive his son. Why? Because of Christ.

Do the atheists want to register a complaint?

Bert Baker’s sister was murdered by her estranged husband. While in prison, the husband, James, came to Jesus and asked Bert for forgiveness. Bert gave it. Today, Bert and James do prison ministry together.

Do you see a pattern forming here?

Remember a few years ago when the media was shocked by what an Amish community did for a killer who shot some of their children in a school? They practiced that Christian virtue of forgiveness.

It’s something real.

There is also the case of the forgiveness of serial killer Gary Ridgway. Ridgway murdered several and one of the victims stood up to say he doesn’t hate Ridgway, though he’s made it hard to follow the principle of forgiveness, and yet he still gave it. Why? Because God says this is the right way to live.

How about Gladys Staines? She’s the widow of Graham Staines. He and two of their sons were killed by a mob in India where he was serving as a missionary. She holds no ill-will towards the killers.

What about the story of Karla Faye Tucker? She found forgiveness in Christ in prison. Who else forgave her? Ron Carlson. His sister had been murdered by Tucker.

“It made me sick to know what they did to my sister,” Carlson recalls his feelings the day after the killing. “The bodies were mutilated…some twenty-five to thirty puncture wounds on each body…My sister was in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

He remembers months of wishing, night and day, that he would someday have the OPPORTUNITY to kill Karla Faye; he wished he could have her at his mercy, with a pickaxe in his hands. Already having experimented with drugs, the loathing drove him deeper into the practice until his life no longer resembled what it had been before the tragedy.

States he: “I knew I had to do something with the hatred and the anger that was within me. It was consuming me.”

Strangely, as did the woman he despised, he found his faith in the Bible. Reading about the crucifixion of Christ, he realized the reality of the tests everyone is put to in this life. “I learned that if I want to be forgiven, I must learn to forgive,” he attests.

Another famous story is the story of Elizabeth Elliot. It was made famous in the movie The End of the Spear. Her husband Jim, along with his companions were killed by a tribe in South America that they were trying to evangelize. Later, Elizabeth and the wife of one of the companions went to South America themselves to this same tribe. The tribe eventually became Christians and one even apologized for what was done to Jim.

Would anyone object to the idea behind Desmond Tutu’s Forgiveness Project? We might disagree with some theological matters, but many of us know forgiveness is the right way to live.

Blinky Rodriguez was a world champion in martial arts and kickboxing. His son was killed by gang-related activity. Rodriguez met with the killers. To punish them? No. Surely as a martial arts and kickboxing expert he could have, but to forgive them. In fact, he worked with the gangs in the area even getting a treaty that greatly reduced gang-related crime in the area.

All of these tell the power of forgiveness.

And there are no doubt many many more out there. (And if you have one, please leave it in the comments.)

You see, it’s like the world is just now learning that the Gospel is about forgiveness. It’s about God becoming King over this world, not because He wants to destroy His enemies, but because He does want to forgive them and any who want to take part in that are free to. That forgiveness is something huge. It is cancelling the debt that exists that we owe to God. Now we could get into a debate on if God exists, but let’s consider the Christian story as it stands. As it stands, we are all guilty of something before God. Some atheists unfortunately have an idea that the Christian message is like this:


This is just nonsense. It’s like your only crime is not being a Christian. The reality is, God doesn’t exclude you from His kingdom for not believing in Jesus. God excludes you for all the other things that you’ve done. Even the most saintly atheist can look in the mirror and realize there are things he’s done wrong in his life and knows there are ways he needs to be improve in being a good person. The most saintly Christian can say the same thing. Believing in Jesus does grant you that forgiveness that you need. If you don’t have that, God judges you by the only thing He can judge you by. Your works. They have to meet His standard of perfection for no impurity can be in the Kingdom.

Forgiveness is the solution. We are forgiven for we could never make up for what we’ve done.

And this is why it’s so important we forgive one another. The stakes are serious. The Gospel destroys the gap between God and man. Whatever my fellow man has done to me, what I have done to God is far worse. If God can erase my debt, ought I not to erase the debt of my fellow man to me? If I do not, have I fully imbibed the Gospel message?

Note that this does not mean that all consequences for an action are removed. There could be a debt owed to society still. Some consequences I think are built into the system. If you sleep around and get an STD and pray for forgiveness, you will be forgiven, but there is no guarantee you will be cured of your disease. David was forgiven for his sin with Bathsheba, but the child born from the relationship still died.

I also encourage people for the most part to always have an attitude of forgiveness and show that forgiveness, but don’t pronounce it until someone asks for it. Why? Because you do not want to rob someone of something beautiful. Them coming to you thinking you could never forgive them and your still pronouncing that forgiveness. It will mean so much more if they ask for the forgiveness first, but you will only be able to forgive if you have already forgiven in your own heart.

So as we look back at the meme again, we have to accept it. Who will be in Heaven? Will murderers be in Heaven. Yep. Will rapists be in Heaven? Yep. Will adulterers be in Heaven? Yep. Will pedophiles be in Heaven? Yep. Provided they have repented and received forgiveness, all of these people will be in Heaven.

So will some of their victims who have done the same thing.

They would have it no other way.

Heaven is meant to be a place of unity and grace and love. It is not a place for hatred of your fellow man or pride or people who don’t forgive.

If you have a problem with grace, love, and forgiveness, Heaven is not the place for you.

IF you want to stay in anger and hatred towards those who have wronged you in this life, Heaven is not for you.

Your every action is preparing you for one of those places more and more. Of course, the central action is how you respond to Jesus which will affect everything, but how you spend eternity wherever you are will be based largely on what your actions are.

If you think a society where the chains of unforgiveness should be held onto is ideal, then Heaven is not the place for you.

I’m not going to pretend this is easy. My wife Allie means everything to me. If someone hurts me, I can take it. No sweat. I’m used to it. People will be jerks. I know this.

If someone hurts her, well it is on…..

But you know, I know with the Gospel that ultimately, when push comes to shove, I have to forgive, even if something horrendous happens to her. I pray it never will, but I also pray that if it does, I will be able to forgive.

Maybe if atheists are touting this meme like it’s an argument, it’s because we’ve found an answer to Hitchens’s challenge.

Maybe that answer is that we can forgiven the unforgivable.

Because you see, in the end, this meme is not an argument against Christianity.

It’s an argument for Christianity.

This illustrates that in the renewed Heaven and Earth, anger and animosity towards those who’ve wronged us will be so much a thing of the past, that murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and their victims will be able to walk in unison and joy together.

The lion and the lamb will lie down together.

And the murderer and his victim will walk hand in hand together.

Because that forgiveness thing, we take it seriously.

And we take it seriously because God takes it seriously.

If you have a problem with that, you’re not revealing anything about Christianity.

You’re revealing something about yourself.

Who has the problem now?

In Christ,
Nick Peters

  • Brian Evans

    Stephen and Saul of Tarsus are together.

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  • Thomas Goodnow

    CS Lewis deals with this at some length in “The Great Divorce” as well (murderers and victims specifically even).

    • Tomislav Ostojich

      There is a hidden problem in here, which is that forgiveness is inherently inconsistent with justice. If God forgives a murderer, then he is automatically unjust and therefore unworthy of worship. And the atheist is absolutely correct: any evildoer would have to pay the penalty himself or have someone else pay for it.

      However, the key variable the atheist misses in his equation is the cross: someone else did pay for it, making forgiveness for the atheist possible. So the true answer is that the cross makes forgiveness possible without God compromising his justice.

  • CMS

    A Christian who has murdered can be in Heaven, but not a murderer. A murderer is “a person who commits murder” and not a person who had committed murder (before becoming a Christian reborn, that is). Whatever sinful person someone was before is no longer there once they become a Christian reborn, hence only Christians can go to Heaven.

    First Corinthians 6:9 says that the people who practice these things won’t inherit the Kingdom of God.

    Also take a look at John 3:4-9. If I understand this correctly, those who are REAL Christians and who reside in Jesus do not sin. If that is the case, those who will be in Heaven will all be sinless, having their passed sins taken away and have no want to continue sinning. Who they were will be gone – destroyed.

    So, if a man murders little Timmy, suffers a heavy punishment, becomes reborn as a Christian, repents for his deeds, forgives those who deeply wronged him, and carries his cross daily, becoming a new person, he can go to Heaven too. Little Timmy won’t even recognize him, and Jesus might not address someone by their passed sins there, but by their names. I find the comic offensive as a Christian.

    • kevin

      this is only partially accurate, and thank God, because if we examine everything that is ‘sin’ none of us would make it with TODAYS sins, and tomorrows, even if ‘past’ sins are forgiven. we all sin continually, as even our thoughts are subject to be sin. and any idol word we speak that does not edify or lift up Christ is sin. how many of us practice speaking idol words, just normal conversation about football for example is not edifying saints or glorifying God, the reality is we all fall short daily, we need grace and mercy daily, and God is just that IF we confess our sins (This is not a one time forgiving of ‘past’ sins) but a continual confessing our sins. So th ‘practicing’ as we think of it, is not the meaning there but the motives of our hearts, those who willfully rebel against God, knowingly sinning because they dont care what God wants or says, they make themselves their own god and do there own will. AND LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

      Lets say a born again Christian looses his wife and 3 children in a car accident and starts drinking, to deal with the pain and ‘becomes a drunkard’ (alcoholic) and dies, would he be denied heaven?? God forbid. Jesus died for ALL the sins of the World of ALL times. even for the unsaved. ALL sin was reconciled on the cross. and it was finished. the power of sin and death destroyed. So it is not sin that will condemn ppl to hell, but refusing Christs atonement for sin. So to apply this to TG, if they do not believe they are sinning (and i am not convinced that anyone has proven it is a sin, not one single SPECIFIC description of TG (like; ” A man that alters his physical body to be as a womens body, this is a sin) that is not in the bible the closest thing to TG is a enouch, and GOD specifically shows one SAVED in Acts 8, God sent Philip to a enouch, preaches Christ and is saved. Now God did not ;heal’ or ‘restore” his former gender to be made whole and sinless again, SEEMS like if anytime God could have made TG a sin example this would be it.

      • CMS

        It is not idol words, it’s idle words (careless words), although using words to worship an idol is bad. Talking about football is not a sin.

        Yes, you should ask for forgiveness continually and be vigilant concerning your soul. Jesus said to keep watching and praying so you don’t fall into temptation (Matt 26:41). In the prayer Jesus gave us, we are told to ask for forgiveness (Matt. 6:12). So in reality, it is recommended to keep asking for forgiveness.

        I agree that Jesus had died for us, and that we should confess and believe in Jesus for He is the only way (John 14:6). This is the thing that many people seems to ignore. Jesus talks about people going to hell, for different reasons or basically the same reasons (Matt. 25:41-46) (Matt. 13:47-50) (Mark 9:43). Offending God and treating people horribly. Then Jesus said that not everyone calling Him Lord “will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matt. 7:21).

        Conclusion: You should accept and believe in Jesus, and also refrain from evil practices, asking and giving forgiveness. I’ve said all I can say on the TG subject. TG are not sinning by just being TG, just like a zoophile is not sinning by just being attracted to animals. They do not make themselves nor do they make their attractions. What they do make are their decisions. A cis woman with an attraction for a man besides her husband still commits the sin of adultery if she cheats on her husband with the other man. Just because she’s no longer attracted to her husband and instead attracted to the other man, doesn’t mean she should do it. People in such predicaments should pray about it if it’s getting them down.

        • kevin

          of TG is not a sin so if they get married to someone, and have sex like anyone else, there is also no sin in that

          But i am not a believer that any born again saint can loose their salvation, there is only one sin unforgivable, so once your saved you are saved period. God knew your sins berfore you we were even born and he still chose to save us, so our future sins (Choices) are not a surprise to God not a way to loose salvation or no no no no one would make it to heaven. the scripture you reference about some will say Lord Lord … is referring to fake christians, who never really trusted in Christ and accepted Him as savior, this is referring to the church goers who go for a social hang out, to look spiritual, just as there are false preachers there are fake christians as well.

          There is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, every sin we commit, past present and future has been dealt with and paid for on the cross. So our salvation is secure, safe and sound in Christ forever, not sure if that is what you believe or not, i know a good portion of the church believes we have to do ‘works’ (keep the commandments) to keep salvation. Even though the bible is clear, salvation is a gift from God and not of works lest any many should boast (But obeying (just like the OT law was works) it does not fit the NT narrative. Blessings

          • CMS

            Kevin, are you telling me that someone can believe in Jesus and accept Him as their savior, then kill a child and then kill himself, and go to Heaven??? You’re telling me that someone can accept Jesus and believe in Jesus and can have 10 lovers at once, beat down their mother, enslave a girl in their basement, and slander their friend to the point of suicide and will go to Heaven if they were to die in these acts???

          • kevin

            yes of course they can. we have examples in the bible of murderers being saved, King David had a man murdered because he slept with his wife and got her pregnant, and Saul before his conversion also murdered and persecuted the church, so yes you can murder and still go to heaven, obviously that will nit get you much reward in heaven, as rewards come from our works. and yes yes yes and yes, however a TRUE born again Christian would not do most of those things you mention however i remember in my young and ignorant days as a Christian slander came very easy for me, as did a lot of other bad stuff before i matured and grew in faith, it is faith and learning the love of God that changes us, but for some it takes a long time to learn that, and they continue in sin until they do. OR are you going to tell me you were perfect on day one???? and sin is sin, it all cost the same exact price, Jesus on the cross, the same murderers sin cost the same as your cheating and stealing and whatever your sins are/were/will be. it all cost the same. it all was paid in full for all eternity. so yes, to answer your questions

          • CMS

            These people you mentioned repented and turned away from those things. I’m speaking of people who do not turn away from these things, but keep doing them and die while committing these things because death caught them by surprise, as many don’t know the time they will die. I said “die in these acts.” What do you get me saying that I’m perfect from? I believe in asking for forgiveness continually as I already stated.

            This is what you lead me to think you believe:
            All one needs to do is believe that Jesus died for us and “accept” Jesus in order to go to Heaven, with
            No need to repent,
            No need to forgive others,
            No need to love God with your all, and
            No need to obey God nor to take heed to what Jesus taught?
            Because you don’t believe that “any born again saint can loose their salvation.”
            Then what do you think the reason is for why Jesus taught in the first place or that Paul taught? It was definitely not in vain.

            Do you really know what receiving Jesus means? Whoever taught you that you can still sin freely without repenting, forgiving others, and obeying God is a liar and shouldn’t be teaching anybody that, because not only would they be in for a surprise if they don’t turn away from practicing that teaching, but also the others whom they taught and caused to practice in the teaching if they don’t turn away from it. Jesus clearly states that someone can still go to hell and not be forgiven for certain deeds they do.
            Since you seem to be so complacent in the teaching, refusing to acknowledge or listen to Jesus’s actual words in the scripture, there is really nothing else I can say to you about this. Goodbye and God Bless you.

            Anybody who read this, please do NOT fall into the trap of thinking you don’t need to forgive, repent, nor obey God in order to get to Heaven. Of course you need to receive and believe in Jesus. You also need to confess your sins so you can receive your forgiveness, forgive others in order for your sins to be forgiven, treat others well, not practice lawlessness, and not sin. If you end up sinning, then you can repent and receive the forgiveness that is waiting for you. Be loving towards each other and respect each other. God Bless you.

          • kevin

            dieing in sin is not something that can cause you to loose salvation, and you did not say they ‘die while committing these things’ only the 1st one who committed suicide died in your examples, but that is neither here nor there because nothing can take our salvation from us.

            now of course we have to repent, and forgive others (i dont think i gave any indication you did not have to do these things) and yes love God and obey, again my point was none of us woke up the day after salvation perfect, we kept on sinning and living a lifestyle of sin. Until God worked out the sin (purged it from us usually thru trials and tribulations) some we were just ignorant of, other stuff we were not willing to give up, as our flesh was still used to being in control. We still had the old influences like bad friends, our sin nature did not just give up and say, I see your born again so i will just go away. So we all went thru a process, some longer than others. I know in my 1st days, i was still suicidal and ready to murder my X and the guy she ran off with and kidnapped my daughter, and the courts let them do it. So even as a believer (especially in the early days and youth) we still are capable of very bad things.
            Now the murder one, you said he killed someone then himself, so he did not ‘keep on doing it’ so he could of repented and still go to heaven, it could also be a mental state that was just to much for him, so i do not believe if you commit suicide you automatically go to hell, the bible does not say that anywhere as far as i know. now a serial killer, could not be a True Christian, God would intervene quickly on such a serious issue that will effect the person as well as the victims, most Christians who murder, it is a temporary state of insanity or strong flood of feelings in the flesh, like a guy comes home from work to find his wife cheating in their bed, and he snaps in the moment, the bible does not not call that murder, murder is premeditated, this would be what we call man slaughter, and lev defines the difference in detail.

            no one taught me that we can sin freely, not forgive others, or not obeying God, i never said any of those things. I am saying that NONE of us, not you, not me, no not one, stopped sinning over night, it was a process over a period of time, so WHILE SAVED we all kept on sinning for a season until we were convicted by the HS, and in some cases finally gave up our hold on the sin. And some get caught in Addiction, there are probably millions of born again saints who have addictions, drinking, smoking, cursing, etc. these are SINS and a life style, this does not cause them to loose salvation, NOTHING CAN TAKE SALVATION AWAY. But they will suffer in the flesh, just as anyone who practices these things. the wages of sin is death, we know alcoholics loose a lot of years, some die in car accidents, etc. But it is an addiction that they do not know how to control, one that God can free them of, of course, but again it is a process over time. addictions effect the way ppl think and process information, they will deny the problem. anyway i dont want to write a book here.

            the bottom line, we Should not go on sinning, we should always repent and try to do better, we should love God and others, BUT I am convinced that nothing can separate us from God, not life nor death, not sins, nothing can take away salvation. For Christians it is not salvation at stake (great white judgment) but reward is what is at stake, our judgement (judgment seat of Christ) will be for our works, good or bad. So the more bad we do the less reward, AND the bible says, some will barely make it, saved as if through fire. Some of these situations we used as examples would make it just as by fire, with no reward.

          • kevin

            you do not know what i believe and you are wrong, by making assumptions that i never never never said. i never said you do not need to repent, i said the opposite in fact, forgive others (Was never even mentioned or brought up at all so that is a total assumption on your part) love God, again i never said you do not have to love or obey God, BASED on our law of liberty written in our hearts, NOT the OT law of moses.
            BUT you were not perfect on day one, you still practiced lying, cheating, and probably a host of other sins, some you did not even know was sin, until the H S convicted you of them later in your walk, unless your some special case and just woke up the next day perfect, you practiced sin, and probably STILL have one or two you fall into often, we are still human with our sin nature always attacking the spirit, it is a war, and we fall into traps continually (Again unless your some special super-saint who found a way to be perfect now) so you can ease off your holier than thall attitude a bit, please. and no one taught me what you ASSUME Falsely about me, i never said any of what you accuse. You may read the scripture but you fail to understand the meaning of some of it.
            Again would you assume to think that alcoholic Christians will loose salvation because of a disease they struggle to control ?? I hope not you just condemned 100s of 1000s to hell. That is not what that verse means, it is talking about those who purposely rebel out of a spirit of rebellion, who know they are doing evil and do not care (motives) they do not care about Christ or salvation or any of that ‘church stuff’ they live by their lusts because they do not care to follow Gods rules. Not every alcoholic (drunkard) will go to hell. how sad would that be, it is a disease that many fall victim to and are not strong enough to break the addiction, same with prescription drugs that may lead to illegal ones, they innocently were following doctors advice to take meds that were unknown to them, addictive and they fell into a trap that led them down a road of addiction. God never expects us to live perfect, ONLY that we try our best to, AGAIN it is our MOTIVES that God judges. IF a alcoholic for example wants to be free from that curse but just cant find his way free, will God send him to hell based on that verse you quote? God forbid.

          • kevin

            no response, hmmm. you ignoring because you can not answer the question or your not seeing the post?

          • kevin

            well…no reply ?

  • Raksh Qor

    This demonic article written by the most nefarious individual, with the most malicious of intentions, left me completely speechless. And I’m rarely ever speechless. I am unable to believe that creatures like you exist on this earth, who are not only capable of, but are cunning enough to be able to put together such a thing. I can’t even begin to address any of the utter filth that you have so shamelessly dared to write, because doing so would be to dignify it and nothing I say would be anywhere near sufficient. But I felt a responsibility to say something because no one else will bother and someone has to condemn it. I am literally left gagging. You should not be allowed to write such an article. It should be illegal. I am going to report this and make sure that your website itself is deleted off the web. There is nothing remotely Christian about the appalling statements you have made addressing child murder victims. Even the title shows that you have attempted to directly address the families of murder victims, “Will your Murderer be in Heaven?” A question clearly for God to answer, not cowards like you who enjoy playing God o the Internet. And He has already answered. Clearly you are a coward because you know you have not been in such positions, nor would you cope well if you were, which is why you are accusing a murdered child in heaven (“supposedly” with his perpetrators) of being bitter and hateful, which they have every right to be. There is a place for Murderers, Rapists, Pedophiles and creatures like you who write these kind of things. And it ain’t Heaven. It’s as far away from Heaven as can possibly, possibly be. You will burn in hell for all eternity if you think that after a lifetime of a victim suffering at the hands of a criminal, they will both snuggle in Heaven together. Hell was created for people just like you. Not child murder victims who refuse to forgive as you have implied in this article. God will be sure to keep the devils and the angels FAR APART. Amen.

    • I guess you favor judgment over grace. Got it.

      • Christian Bookworm

        Considering that Jesus forgave His murderers, I really don’t think Raksh needs to continue that train of thought…

    • kevin

      King David, a man after God own heart, murdered to cover up adultery. Though it may be hard to understand from a human perspective, murderers can go to heaven, if they repent JUST LIKE any other sin, murder is not listed as an unforgivable sin. And the bible also list murder as premeditated, (planned and plotted) not just ‘in the heat of the moment’ murders. Now i do believe they should get the death penalty for the pain they caused, but that is punishment in the flesh, not the spiritual punishment, like David, he suffered in the flesh, his sons tried to murder him or his son a few time, i would have to review that, but he did not have the same blessed live (in the flesh) after. But I am sure he is in heaven. And like the others replied Jesus forgave those who (in their hearts=motives- as in reality no one murdered Jesus, He gave His life freely) but He forgave them for their sin and involvement of His execution (as it were seen in the flesh)

      now i do not think you have the right or authority at this time to judge anyone (to hell) that is Gods right alone. So you seem to have harboring in your heart a lot of hate, maybe for things you experienced in your own life, BUT JESUS said, “Love your enemies and pray for them” not judge them as you are, YOU SHOULD HOPE AND PRAY, the murderer and the victim can BOTH be together in heaven, as GOD SAID, ‘I desire that all men be saved’ (He did not add – except murderers) Again this is not an easy thing to grasp, it is one of those hard lessons to receive. blessings.

    • Rufus Delufus

      You need to listen to Jesus and learn to forgive. And you shouldn’t worry about having to be with murders and rapists in heaven. Because you surely will not be there.

      • Don Wilson

        So when did you become the almighty? You don’t decide who will and won’t be in heaven or hell that is up to the Lord.

  • Rufus Delufus

    The greatest apostle in the bible was indisputably Paul….. a murderer.
    A true believer does not question God’s plan.

  • Don Wilson

    So you can be any type of criminal you want and as long as you repent before you die you can get into heaven? I don’t believe it works that way there are things that I have done that yes I am hoping that I can be forgiven for but I would understand if I wasn’t even though it could mean Eternal damnation logically I would understand it. I don’t think I’ve done anything intentionally that deserves Eternal damnation but I’m not God he decides what is important. But I do not think that you can be a horrible human being and then say oh sorry about that and All Is Forgiven I just don’t think it works that way.